Comes from: Approve for the ITV. We tried to pass the ITV with an important reform
Get them to reflect the indications in the data sheet (below) can be an ordeal in Spain
Last week I told you about my little private battle to get homologate the changes made to the car. As I was told in the ITV, it was little short of impossible, despite being a fairly simple reform and obviously beneficial for the vehicle. After several days looking for information, I gave up and put myself in the hands of a company specialized in approvals, in this case Homologastur
My procedures with them were very brief: they asked me for the data sheet, registration certificate, photocopy of ID, a couple of photos of the renovations made and any data or referencia that it could have of the new mounted material. With this information, after a week I received at home the necessary documents to approve the reform:
- Technical project with supporting calculations and visa
- favorable report of the sealed laboratory.
- assembly certificate blank, in the absence of filling and sealing by the workshop that installed it.
With everything completed I present myself at the ITV (other different season the first one I went to, of course), where, as expected, the reception was not very good. It's normal... a lot of people pass by there Car, whose inspection lasts 10 minutes. perform a reform process It takes much longer and only costs 9 euros more than a routine review (yes, the procedure costs only XNUMX euros!!). The income/hour ratio plummets…and that is not good for any business!
El renovation engineer he took the documentation with a face of few friends, and after about 25 minutes of waiting he told me that there were some irregularities, due to incoherence in some dates and because some text was not detailed. He told me that if it seemed good to me, he would keep the documentation and the next day he would call me to tell me what things had to be corrected. He also invited me, jokingly, to make the reform in another ITV, to which I refused (it is clear that any ITV station, if you can, get rid of these paperwork). The truth is that the treatment changed quite a bit, and now the inspector seemed encouraged to make the reform.
The next day, first thing in the morning, they called me and ITV detailed what needed to be corrected: inconsistency in the date of the favorable report and reference the directive 98/12 relative to braking. It is evident that the data that ITV They may seem right to you, they may not seem right to another and vice versa. It gives the impression of not being perfectly defined how the matter works.
I call Homologastur, who assure me that in two days I would receive the new documentation with the dates that were necessary. With this promise, the ITV inspector He tells me that if I want I can do the review now and that Homologastur send the documents to your own ITV, so as not to have to go back to pick up the modified data sheet.
This is how we do it, without any problem. The ITV He issues me a supporting paper in case I stop the police (It is mandatory to bring the ITV card), ensuring that as soon as you receive the documentation of Homologastur would modify the card and could go through it. After three days, the process was completed, with the authorized reform in my possession and the documentation in the Ministry of Industry.
Resumiendo:
Although the reform that we do to our car seems minimal, as long as it is classified as “major reform” we will homologate it if we want circulate legally and avoid problems.
As I have been able to verify, the procedures are tremendously cumbersome and difficult for a "normal" citizen to carry out successfully. It's not that it's very complicated, but papers are needed that are not available to everyone (visa technical project and laboratory certificate).
Therefore, unless we are chartered engineers and let's have a friend somewhere authorized laboratory, it is clear that it is best to carry out the reforms with a specialized company. It is true that it is somewhat expensive (Homologastur charges about €300 for this type of work) but you save all the headaches and trips in vain to different places (which is also time and money). We only had to make a couple of photocopies and a couple of photos, the rest of the work was done by Homologastur in about a week. Keep in mind that if you decide to do the homologation on your own, you will also have to pay the laboratory certified and visa al engineers college, so the 300 euros of which I speak above It doesn't seem so expensive anymore.
Finally, the impression that I have gotten from all this is that the Law of Reforms in Vehicles in this country limps a lot. One Brembo make a brake kit specifically for this car, valued at more than €2.000 and a much higher quality than the standard equipment, it is somewhat absurd that so many procedures have to be carried out to be able to legally install them. Wouldn't it be more logical for the brand to be the one standardize your products to be able to sell them? Oh, yes, that already exists...CE marking, TUV, etc. So… why is so much demanded? document and certificate, reaching a conclusion (the brakes stop well) that is already known in advance?
If any of the readers has had any experience in homologations and reforms, I greatly appreciate you telling us about it, we are interested in your opinion.
I also did it with them. Larger 4×4 wheels and a winch
I also approved the brakes of my VW with them.
it's shit about the itv although at least you know that if you pay for the project you can put it on
Very interesting, it makes me want to register my car in another country to be able to modify it to my liking
Juas, welcome to the modifications!!!! Those of us who have been touching our cars for years already know that it is time to register for the Itv
I have a hummer h 3 and I would be interested in passing it to glp they have told me that this vehicle is not approved for spain and I don't know where to get my hands on it for the approval and installation of glp
Jose Vazquez, the homologation that you propose is not an easy task… converting a car to LPG in Spain is complicated. Ask at Homologastur or similar companies to see if there is any luck.
Regards!
Hello, I explain my case
I have a mini cooper s with a john works kit for the engine, brakes, aerodynamics and wheels.
I went to pass the ITV after 8 years passing it and they tell me that now my car is not valid as if it were one of those tuning ..
That I have to legalize everything, the case that I called BMW for what had happened to me and I have already paid 410 euros for homologation papers that have not worked for me at the moment, I am at the expense of them sending me others, workshop certificate, homologations...
Others in the ITV do not clarify if one attends you says one thing, if another attends you says another, verbatim words of one of them, (I have not modified my vehicle, you have modified it, for which the problem is yours not mine) what do I do? do not help me? because? On top of that, I paid the fees... finally, a joke, so in less than a month I'm already unsubscribed, I've been like this since March 3...
Is there someone like me??
Hi Emilio,
Your case is totally amazing…what year is that Mini? As far as I know, the latest versions of the Mini came perfectly homologated with the Cooper Works kit, just like Abarth homologates its SS and the like. Did you buy it new or did you install the kit later?
And BMW hasn't made anything clear to you? Well, talk to Consumption, one of two, or BMW has sold you a car that is not approved or the ITV is doing its job wrong. In either case, I think they should help you fix the problem.
You will tell us!
Luck!
Thank you Louis for this article. Tomorrow I will contact them as I have to approve a major reform.
When I finish the matter I will comment here how everything went.
Regards!
Ok, very good Antony. We appreciate you sharing it with us. Some readers have told me their experiences by private mail, but I prefer that you publish it.
Regards!
Here in Guadalajara, Spain. There is a little known company called Proyditec. (Projects and technical directions) And they do those things without problems. They did my ITV in no time. 🙂
My problem is that I am going to pass the ITV of my Toyota Corolla car that is 8 years old and everything is fine except for the side skirts that do not cost in the car documentation.
At the itv they tell me that I need some homologation papers from the dealer and if not I have to remove them after having passed the 2 previous itv inspections.
I go to my Toyota dealership, they tell me that they ask me for the homologation papers but the cost of them is 48 euros.
I do not understand how they can charge me that amount, when I buy those original skirts
in the toyota brochure and installed by them, and registered by them, before giving me the car as property
My surprise is that after paying those 48 euros, for the documentation.
I show up at the itv and the cost of homologating them is another 57 euros.
My question is if the new regulations can go back 8 years, and if my Toyota dealer can charge for that documentation that I pay for when buying the car as accessories.
Given your problem and the information you provide, I have several questions. One is if the skirts that you mention are included in the vehicle options, since if so, it should appear in the vehicle type approval and therefore, from the ITV it could be solved with a diligence after reviewing the reduced approval form or in case of not appearing in the reduced file by consulting the manufacturer by the user or the ITV technician. On the other hand, it would be necessary to see if the installation of skirts was indicated or not as an important reform in the past, since if it did not appear, perhaps, and I am only saying perhaps, it could be processed by the fifth transitory provision, as is intended to be done with the case of sun roofs. But as I already indicated, the latter should be carefully reviewed.
Finally, comment that there are usually some errors in the issuance of cards by the manufacturer because some incorporated extras are not usually correctly noted, so it is at the time of vehicle acquisition when these errors can be claimed and corrected more easily. but for this you have to be aware of the regulations.
A greeting.
Hello, I have a problem with my Mazda 6, I lived in Germany and I swallowed it when I came to Andalusia (2006), here I gave the documentation to an expert and he made the reduced file and passed the MOT in San Fernando , until there is good.
The next inspections are carried out in the tiv of algeciras, that said, my car has been since I bought it with a 35mm suspension, aluminum rims and 235/18 tires. Until I went again on Friday to pass the ITV and they start to measure the car and now they ask me for a Technical Project + manufacturer's report + information, technical service.
And I wonder who hasn't done their job properly in previous years??? given that they had never given me any problems because of this. I thought that everything was legalized and now they come out with these.
Is this legal??? can they do it, after they have been passing the ITV to my car since 2008 without doing their job properly??? can I claim someone?? or where should I go???
It doesn't put any of that on the reduced tab?
No, it doesn't say anything on the technical sheet, I have all the homologations in German, that I present them on the day when we register and pass the 1st MOT in San Fernando, there they should see the car measured and ask for the documents
.What was said until last Friday, nobody bothered to measure the vehicle. That is a negligence of those in charge of the ITV, right? Well, now all they ask me for is prior payment, I don't know how to do it, they (those of the itv) they wash their hands. I don't know where to go to raise the lack of professionalism. Let's see if you can give me a little hand 🙂
Well, surely you are going to have a difficult time, since the ITV have a "license to kill" as long as the government does nothing about it. The first thing I would do would be to talk to the expert who made you the Spanish file, if you can still contact him. It's sad, but the law changes retroactively and users often can't do anything but rack their brains and pay. Let us know how it goes for you...
Hello Luis, tell you that I finally have ITV. Well, I didn't get off the donkey, since I was very sure that I had all the documentation in order. Well, I got so upset that the same ITV called H&R and asked for information about the suspension who drives my car and look where they called me on Monday to tell me what would happen to me with a report from Mazda stating that the suspension with the nr such….. is correctly mounted on my car. Which I did immediately, in the afternoon it had been approved and I already know it in the technical file. LLUJUUUUUUUU I spent €1500 that they asked me to homologate and translate documentation to €25,10 that the workshop report cost me. Of all the ways thank you very much and greetings. 🙂
Hello, one question, when it came to homologation, what was the cost, is that I have to homologate a seat 600 and to guide myself and not exceed the budget
Good afternoon.
I am currently finishing a course on technical management of ITV stations, after reading many messages, I have been able to notice a small lack of knowledge about the work that is carried out in them (I include myself as well). In my opinion, in an ITV the work that is carried out is the VERIFICATION of the regulations associated with the vehicles so that they can be used in accordance with what is established by law.
Having said the above, it might seem easy, but it is not, since the administration is working to agree on criteria, since the competences in matters of ITV fall on the autonomous communities, producing a disparity of interpretations of the legislation, for that reason, every time that you want to "homologate" (a term generally misused for the processing of reforms, since the only entity that can homologate "common vehicles" in Spain is the Ministry of Industry through the INTA and IDIADA technical services) it would be appropriate to go to the technician of ITV to advise you briefly, because certainly, due to the amount and the continuous change of regulations it can be somewhat complex for the user to understand, but the advice should be carried out before carrying out the reform, since as has been well commented previously, not all the reforms are legalizable and therefore it could be the case that money should be invested again to uninstall them.
Not to extend myself further, I just want to state that there are some actions that can lead to our inspection taking longer than necessary, so above all, you always have to remain calm and ask for information, because these errors can come from the user, the ITV, manufacturers or the administration in the drafting of the same regulations.
A greeting.
Hello, it took me 4 months to pass the ITV of my car for the installation of 4 reforms, I bought the car second-hand and I did not know everything that was mounted (some things yes) the case that the ITV told me every day that there was a new thing to homologate, imagine that until the 4th month, then one of the engineers did not want to pass the MOT because the workshop where everything was assembled did not exist, but what fault is my death, it gave me to understand that I no longer had a car, useless, it would be written off at the time and of course without MOT... The other engineer did not give importance to certain things and the shameful thing happened to me, there all the reforms were manufacturer's option, the car was a mini cooper sy wore the kit john cooper works montsdo in a bmw workshop, in short they deserve to charge the shit they charge and spend the cold they spend in winter, greetings, they make you gain from not consuming anything but of course with pasta... Hehehe
After all this, you watch programs on television like Fast N' Loud on Discovery and you come to the conclusion that here in Spain, that would be impossible and I ask myself: why in Spain, if you want to create jobs, don't you solve the issue of the approvals?
The number of jobs that would be created simply, allowing new engines to be adapted to old cars, without so many complications, passing a safety test and that the homologation could be carried out by a specialized mechanic together with an engineer.
Provide facilities for entrepreneurs.
Imagine taking cars like the mythical Opel Calibra or Ford Prove and putting an engine from an engine manufacturer, modern with low consumption and the same power.
An incredible range of possibilities would be created.
But this is not America.
Ricardo, in my opinion this is possible in Spain, you just have to go to the Reform Manual and in Section I, Group 2 you will observe the modifications of the motor unit that are allowed, for the case that you expose, reform 2.3 would be applicable « Modification or replacement of the motor unit by another with different characteristics» and if it is accompanied by an increase in power, in addition to reform 2.9. This is a simple specific case, the problem that you can really find is that the vehicle manufacturer or technical service gives you the go-ahead in the conformity report, but if it does so in compliance with the regulatory acts, there is no doubt that the ITV does not it will put up problems, you simply have to know the regulations that we have and can apply, and be willing to pay for it. In the same way, I would like to tell you that the laws are being harmonized throughout Europe so that they are comparable, so it is not a problem in Spain, but rather, other things are allowed in the US because it is governed by different regulations.
A greeting.
I have a Fiat Uno Turbo from the year 91, I changed the rims to 14″ and the wheels to 185/14/55 because finding 185/13/55 was complicated and expensive.
Given what I have read, called Fiat and the ITV, I am going to choose to pass the ITV with the originals, I cannot understand that for 1,5 cm more radius this mess can be mounted, more and when I worried about looking for the original Fiat rims that cost me a lot to avoid problems with their dimensions (width, hub, etc..)
They have already told me on ITV that it would not happen.
What I did not know is that they could even give me low, how strong.
regards
Good morning Manuel, in the ITV to be able to pass the inspection without problems, the legislation allows us to use various types of models, the first ones that we can use are those that appear on the TITV (ITV Card), then there are those that are included in the vehicle approval, which sometimes may or may not appear on the TITV, making it more difficult for the user to be aware of them. Finally, there are equivalent tires, these tires are those that are within the range of plus or minus 3% of the dimensions of the tires approved for the vehicle, but they must also comply with the load and speed index (eg 90 H). In the case that you are describing, if you want tires equivalent to those of 185/13/55, you can use 14/175 as equivalents with a 55” rim, but remember that the load and speed index must be equal to or greater than the approved, likewise check that the casing of the 14” rim is compatible with the tire and is not wider. If you don't know how to calculate the different combinations of equivalent tires that you can use, you can always go to the online calculators that are on the internet and they are free to use.
There is a last way but it is more expensive and complex, it is through the reform process with CR 4.5, in the additional information that accompanies the reform it is explained in which cases non-equivalent tires can be used.
A greeting.
In Spain it is like that, it does not matter what certificates the piece has or the European homologations that have passed, in those matters it seems that we do not belong to Europe, here everything is euros, if you put a knife in the defense and go to the itv it is a dangerous object, now when you pay it is approved it is no longer a dangerous object and it happens as if nothing happened. This is Spain gentlemen.
Hello everyone, the ITV thing, it's a laugh, I've been making cars for 20 years. An anecdote. We took a 205 rally to an ITV in Cantabria for damping, the chief mechanic at the time told us that everything was fine but that we had to fit the standard carburettor, hosn imagine the FLAS no. We say, look, it's a 205 rally, and he answers us, well, you'll race in a rally but you have to put the standard carburetion, take whiplash, a whole chief mechanic who doesn't know that it has double carburetion as standard, m hos would tell similar moves at the itv in cantabria in 20 years, and the impotence felt by not being able to do anything. All the best
Hello, I'm freaking out with the comments, about the hits they put when it comes to homologating vehicles or modifications to them.
However, as many have already realized, many car brands do not know how they manage to homologate certain models that then once they begin to market have nothing to do with the declared benefits with reality.
A little over a year ago, I bought a Fiat 500 which, in theory, the manufacturer declares, among other things, 69 hp, but which barely makes it up a slope in a parking lot. My surprise is that both the dealer and the brand say that the car It is like that, but the most amazing thing is that I discover in a forum (Only Fiat 500) that there are many more cases like mine.
I find it unlikely that such a model could have been approved, since I understand that there must have been some subsequent modification that has changed values, such as lowering the power by manipulating the software.
I ask: can the brand be sued before those who have approved a certain model? .All the best.
Hello, I am in the process of homologating a Volkswagen van. I have a question. Once the project has been carried out by an engineer and the homologation has been carried out by a laboratory, an itv technician can deny the homologation ?, or his task is simply to check what appears in the reports ?. All the best
Hey.
Let's see if someone can help me. I have a Ford Kuga with factory tinted windows and when I pass the first MOT they give me an unfavorable result because of the wear on the front tires and because of a tribal sticker that I have on the rear window.
I immediately corrected the tire problem and went to pass it again today and asked to speak with the inspection chief. After exposing the case to him and telling him that I put it in pk, I consulted with the civil traffic guard before putting it in and they told me that there was no problem since it had right and left rear-view mirrors.
I went to traffic and told him that the general traffic regulation in its article 19 says that the rear window can be covered if you have both mirrors, with a sun visor or with a sticker, the good man tells me that traffic is traffic and that they are the industry and they are the ones who pass the ITV and they are not going to pass it on to me.
I told him that I was going to denounce the incompetence of the inspector who attended me to the duty court and he told me that that was not a reason and I told him that maybe not, but giving me the documentation of another vehicle that was not mine was. and leave a person without documentation.
He told me that it was a simple mistake, to which I replied that for me that man was incompetent at his job and, therefore, I was not satisfied with the inspection that he carried out on my vehicle since no one guaranteed me that he had not committed more errors like that with my vehicle.
He got quite arrogant with me and offered me a claim form which I filled out and submitted to consumption.
The only thing I want is not to have to remove my sticker even if I have to homologate it but I don't know how to do it and this man kept threatening me to keep in mind that they would fine me for having the unfavorable MOT although I have already corrected the tire problem and I did that they make it known to me by passing the inspection again.
I would really appreciate if someone could guide me.
I don't know, the stickers on the windows don't do any good to the ITV, in my former company we used some Partners that were about 10 years old, only with front seats and behind the front seats the corresponding metal cage, where they go the tools, they had the labeling on the rear and side rear windows until one good year they began to ask us for the homologation of the glass... gentlemen, but it is an advertising vinyl so that they identify you and the robbers do not see what you have in the van, if it's already been like 5 ITVs... nothing, in the end it works out like everything, paying so that the one with the labels (if he's still not bankrupt after 10 years xD) gives you (or sells) a piece of paper brother-in-law of homologation or a little sticker in the glass, and that's it!
$$$$$$$$$$$$
This is a shame, in Spain you can practically not even change a piece of the bicycle and that it continues to be legal to circulate with it, many vehicles and cycles of the EU are not approved to circulate in Spain (Tandem bicycles, electric with more than 250W, the Dutch tricycles with 3 wheels and a huge basket… so emblematic there, here they are cause for complaint.
It seems incredible, that in Germany you can homologate a Cart to go down the street and that same car homologated there here cannot circulate.
I also remember an episode of a certain TV show where they repaired dusty cars, and one of them was a Pick up, which was practically a chassis with a cab, engine, wheels, and lights attached to the chassis with flanges... when the owner explained why he had the pick up like this, he said that they stole from the doors, to the rear drawer xD and that he had the lights hooked with flanges because the state of California only required vehicles to have signal lights of the relevant colors and in a conspicuous location...
It is clear that it is an extreme case... but I do not see less extremism in that having to pay projects, fees and stories for installing material that has been designed and is sold specifically for a vehicle model, they should accept the equivalence.
Another case… the brake hoses of the motorcycle… if they are made of plastic as standard and I want to put them metallic, or anodized in color… and those hoses that I want are sold to me by a manufacturer approved in the EU… what is more… if the new model of my motorcycle already has metallic ones... why do I have to homologate it as an improvement? that the manufacturer makes them by eye and then puts them in a box? Why do the ITV tell me to remove them and put the serial ones?
Who is the fool here? What do I pay when I buy them, what do I pay someone to mount them and then pay someone else to let me circulate with them? Is it the one that manufactures them, or the one from the ITV that, after paying, allows me to circulate with my modification?
Please God, if it is true that you exist, and that there is justice in this world, make all those who profit and unfairly and abusively take advantage of us for trying to improve the performance of our vehicles see the light and stop #~@€~ #@#€ or
The thing about this country and the homologations is a joke.
I totally agree that having to homologate a part that already comes with a European certificate is like not giving credit to the German engineer who has created the certificate.
The itv's, each one a world. If they want, you do not pass the ITV until they consider it appropriate. Each one with its protocols, response times, as each one ultimately wants. A shame. There are some private ones that it is better not to approach, personally I would not do it (I speak from experience)
The laboratories, the great beneficiaries, and that also manage the prices as they please, depending on which company you are and therefore the volume of work that you send them. In addition to being almost a monopoly those that do specific tests.
The engineer, I mean, having to do a job that gives very little benefit to having to put up with this absurdity of people around you and taking into account that your work is also absurd. However, if you have any questions or want to homologate something, contact an engineer or they will make you a world. the big companies may lower costs for reforms with tests (brakes, change of address) that require going to one of the monopoly laboratories, but those of us who work from home will give you a good service and a much better price than that of the big ones approval companies. I charge 50 euros/element to reform
PS Reform projects do not need a visa
Good compañer@s, I am now having problems homologating something in my vehicle and I am going to comment on it and see if someone else has happened to it and was able to solve it.
I have a seat leon from 2007 and shortly after having it I had a serious accident and I changed the rear bumper to the FR one, I had been going from the 1st ITV with that bumper and I never had any problem until the other day I went to pass the ITV that they did not pass it to me while waiting for the homologation of the bumper, I have already paid €125 in a SEAT house and now I am waiting for them to call me again, what steps is SEAT going to follow, how long will this whole process take me and if in the end I will manage to pass the ITV as soon as possible since now I have the car stopped until they give me the go-ahead.
Hello, my case is next:
Normally, a vehicle that I have enjoyed, I have made some modification to it, always little, with very high quality, equivalent and approved spare parts. Well, what is my surprise after several occasions the favorable ITV, one day it turns out that this part was a danger for me and other road users and two days later, after going through the checkout, favorable ITV, it was no longer dangerous! . Who can explain this...
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My case is funny too. I buy a 4 × 4 and I pass the revision without problem during 5 in the same ITV. Now they tell me that there is a reform in the rear springs that they have to be homologated…. The fact is that they raise the car a little more but within the height parameters allowed by the technical card. I explain to them that it is like the wheels, that as long as the width is within the tolerance of the technical characteristics of the vehicle, it is like a change of parts... If you want Catalina rice. They must be approved. . The problem is that we are defenseless against these abuses of authority...
Hey.
In the last MOT they tell me that the next one will not be given to me favorably since the headlights are almost opaque (car with 12 years). I start looking for original headlights and each headlight costs 400 euros. Total that I see a website of a company where they sell "approved" headlights and with CE marking. I spend 190 euros, I put them on and they throw me the itv because I need a "certificate of conformity". I have asked the company that sold them to me but it gives me a long time. In the end, I had to polish the old headlights and pass the ITV but now I have the "new" headlights in my house and 190 euros less in my pocket. I guess I would have to sue the seller to get my money back...